Hey DOODS!!! Don’t give your paying customers this passive agressive shit. Ya dealing with customers sucks but shit you are the guys that decided to get into this business in the first place. We prefer to buy from you custom shapers because we can actually talk face to face with an actual person, who actually surfs about our actual dislikes and preferences in board design. Yes our requests at times are a little out-landish, but wouldn’t anyone want that magic board that works great in any conditions? Talking with you guys sure beats going into surfride and asking some 16 year old girl who has never surfed about the different fin configurations on a board. But I guess what your trying to say is that that is what we should do if we want to talk board design, right? Sorry but not all of us are rich executives who can afford to buy your gorgeous boards on a whim. We work hard for our money and just want to make sure we are getting what we pay for, especially when we its $700 + for a surfboard (which trust us when its all said and done is well worth it). I’m sure you guys don’t walk into a car dealership and purchase the first car you see without bugging the sales man a bit about the features, price, etc…, so why would you expect us to not do the same? I know a new car is a lot different than a new board but you get the picture. We know the bro deal should stay in the realm of actual bros, but remember that its not your bros that are keeping you guys afloat through our current economic downturn, its us honest paying customers who refuse to buy into the cheap chinese shit that filling up the racks at all the surf shops. We continue to support you because we respect what you do and truly appreciate what a hand crafted board is all about. Patronizing us does nothing but make us reevaluate why we continue to devote the little free time we have to surf a few waves everyday. Please no more worthless posts like this one. For many of us we come to your blog for relief from our daily grind, not to be ridiculed because we ask too many questions.
JP, great illo. Just cause one guy didn’t get it don’t despair!
There’s a huge diff between being a plain ol’ schmuck on the one hand and asking about the design and being into the process on the other hand. Your illo was not patronizing at all. It seemed to me just a little good natured funning and exaggeration of some of the stuff you have to deal with. But bro, when are you going to get that computer that does the color schemes that GWS posted about? Lemme know…
p.s. To “Saving up for that Pavel quad”: If you’ve ever dealt with the Moonlight crew then you know that they are the top of the top, both to deal with and in their work. I know I’ve asked stupid questions and they always treated me with kindness, good humor and respect (even when they could rightly have been annoyed and rolling their eyes). So take from a little cartoon what you wish but know that they walk the walk of a first class operation. And they don’t need me to defend them, but I don’t think you’re being fair and I don’t want JP to hesitate posting something for fear people might not enjoy him goofing around a bit.
A little context, this is a cartoon I drew on my new personal board, a DK quad fish. Yes, the cartoon is a tribute to the famous Wilbur Kookmeyer where he orders a custom board (he insist on a 5’12” because 6’0″ is too long, heh). Ever since that Wilbur cartoon I say those words to every shaper that I order a board from, it’s kind of a ritual. I enjoy the responses and it’s fun when shapers get the reference. (the Indo rush and bro deal part is based on an actual friend of mine). This cartoon is not meant as an insult anyone, Moonlight loves it’s customers.
Wow! Who would have thought a little cartoon would bring about so much smack talking. Its all in good fun guys. I say keep ’em coming. Thanks moonlight for the interesting reads…by the way…how do I go about getting a bro deal, just kidding, but seriously…Oh ya 5’12” and 6’0″ is the same thing in case any of you where wondering, it just depends if your using the metric system or the colonial…
Talk about not getting the joke…somebody get that guy a cerveza! Jp and everyone at moonlight-you guys rock!!! Have always treated me with respect and answered every question no matter how stupid it may be. “Saving up for that pavel quad” is totally missing the point, & who writes a post that long anyway?, too much time on his hands, go surf or something.
Second, See what happens when you don’t take your zoloft in the morning. Get a grip buddy geez.. I bet you get road rage for someone not using there turn signals at a stop sign.
If i worked there i would make sure your board came our hot pink and extra heavy every time.
Increase your wave count at half the price of a pavel. We stole that design years ago, why wait a year for a custom. Plus, we haven’t taught the asians how to blog yet so your money is safe with us and ridicule free. Alex Knostmeyer rules!
I saw this board on the Surfer magazine design forum. I can see why the Pavel guy would get upset although I did not interpret the cartoon that way myself.
I understand where “saving for that pavel quad” is coming from. Moonlight is great and have had no problems with them but I’ve had some real issues with one shaper who uses them for glassing. I won’t go into the details but let’s say it was a all around bad experience. The shaper was not professional and I felt like since I wasn’t starring in the next Thomas Campbell movie I wasn’t really worth his time. Custom boards are great and the next new board I get will be one; however, shapers need to remember they make or break the experience. Simply put…Pay attention to the customer, manage their expectations, produce a quality product and deliver it on time and we’ll keep coming back.
I’m sure anybody who has been around surfing for anytime what so ever would note the comical jest that was involved with JP’s cartoon. He was not trying to single out any customers but in fact was having a bit of fun with surfing, which is what its all about, isn’t it. Yet its also pretty clear that someone who is less experienced and has gone through a bad experience with a custom shaper in the past could misundstand it and see it as a direct insult.
I’m not even sure if it was a response to moonlight directly but to the surf community as a whole. Much like most industries, there are some major assholes out there, and the surf industry is no different. All it takes is one bad experience to change one’s perception of what custom made boards are all about.
But by JP’s response to the post you can see that he is not one of these bad seeds in the surf industry. Moonlight glassing is the benchmark of what a properly run business should be. Customers are treated with respect and only recieve the best work possible. If anyone is skeptical just give them a call. I’m sure their kindness and professionalism will win you over in no time. Its sad that certain peoples skewed views, although valid in many ways, can be attached to the wrong recipients, in this case Moonlight glassing.
P.S. To Justin- Your response will do nothing but aggravate the situation. I’m sure its just a heated attempt to defend Moonlight, but its really just reinforcing the whole “cocky surfer/surf shop” myth that we are trying to break. Its obvious that “saving up for a quad” is a little “disgruntled” to say the least and he is obviously just looking for an outlet for some pent up aggression. I’m sure “…First off your a KOOK” & the whole “…hot pink…extra heavy” thing did nothing but piss him off more. This isn’s a shot at you, but rather an attempt to shut down all the machismo that exist in surfing, which I think is what is making this customer angry.
-Now lets all hug and go for a surf, I love all of you.
I’m so over all of the “political correctness” of everything. Why should everyone have to double and triple-check anything they write, paint or even fart out to make sure not ONE SINGLE PERSON will be offended? Another step toward the pu$$ification of society so the hipsters will feel more comfortable. Let me run this through my editor before I post it… oh snarf!
WOW—seems a few of us need to relax a bit—-maybe the art (and it was art!) struck a little too close to home. JP be happy with your stuff–at least the folks are readingit…..and it was a cool board too….for the rest of you-at least your not working in a coal mine walrus
ya thats it, its those hipsters. Man I hate hipsters!, with their beards and their greasy hair and their fishes. Wait a minute…I guess I’m a hipster, never mind.
At least i have the audacity to put my name on my posts unlike most of you anonymous slammers. Moonlight fan no shot taken… you have the right to say whateves you want…
Moonbase doesn’t need my defense. I simply was stating that he is a KOOK… He has the right to comment what he wants and so do I. I apologize i didn’t get Dr. Phil to edit my post.
Man, i remember the good old days when surfers got hazed by there inner community every single day. Especially when you made silly remarks. But i guess those days are slowly coming to a end with the softening of our culture.
Anyone remember getting tossed in trash cans by older surfers at the beach?? or harassed because you don’t have a Jimmy ‘Z hat, or for your riding your dads old OFFSHORE and not a killer new custom? or having to make taco bell runs and buy the older bros food with your own money so you get more waves?? I sure do and it was good fun. Keep up the hazing please!
IF we dont give the KOOKS and friend acting like KOOKs shit the culture I know and love will be lost to our future generations.
It’s hard running a business that caters to surfers. They come in all walks of life. Some are chill..some are not. Some surfers are way more concerned with what their board looks like then what it rides like. But you gotta have a sense of humor at the very least to survive in this business. I saw it as humor with a touch of reality thrown in. Some signage on the wall of my factory – My prices are based on cash. If you plan on paying by check plan on another 25% because I hate the bank more than you. A lack of prior planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Trac-top, leashes, used baggies and/or bong hits are unacceptable forms of payment. Thank you – The management
I personally see it as a creative little spoof that is very multi-layered in its meaning. The twelve exclamation points, the a-frame falling above the “DOOD’s” head, the pacman like features of the face, the obvious reference to fascism and Nazi Germany with the positioning of the “DOOD’s” lifted left arm. And lets not forget how JP cleverly included the word “SURFY” on the top of the page to look like “SORRY”, as in “…sorry “DOOD” (or DOODETTE) but this is the wrong way to order a surfboard, it is unreasonable, unless you are willing to pay for it” -note the $$$ signs in the lower right hand corner with a playful little Shaka to cut the rising tension. The symbolism is breathtaking and I see it as an educational piece more than anything. I love it!!!
Bravo JP, this is what good art is all about, its supposed to evoke a little bit of emotion from its viewers, whether it be positive or negative.
P.S. Justin is right a KOOK is a KOOK anyway you look at it, lets face it we have all been there at some time or another.
The good news is that this cartoon is the only offensive thing I’ve ever done and I don’t have anything to top it so it’s smooth sailing from here on out!
“Sail on Brother, sail on..!” Call it like it is, I say… I know how it is to have to chase my hard earned money. Everybody take a break, roll one, and chillout… Nice work. Peace always, Tim
pushingtide
September 14, 2008And can you deliver, I live at…..
Anonymous
September 14, 2008Is that supposed to be Rob Machado?
Mardo
September 14, 2008Tribute to Wilbur C?
reverb
September 15, 2008…extra cool
happens in daily basis
also, there s no way that the customer understand that there s no polyvalent boards
and there s some periods in the year that are better to order a board…
Rick
September 15, 2008rad
Anonymous
September 15, 2008yeah good luck. the surf industry aint like no other industry ~ especially the glassing!
Tim
September 15, 2008…funny, yet so true…
“Can I have a bro deal?’…classic!
saving up for that pavel quad
September 15, 2008Hey DOODS!!!
Don’t give your paying customers this passive agressive shit. Ya dealing with customers sucks but shit you are the guys that decided to get into this business in the first place. We prefer to buy from you custom shapers because we can actually talk face to face with an actual person, who actually surfs about our actual dislikes and preferences in board design. Yes our requests at times are a little out-landish, but wouldn’t anyone want that magic board that works great in any conditions? Talking with you guys sure beats going into surfride and asking some 16 year old girl who has never surfed about the different fin configurations on a board. But I guess what your trying to say is that that is what we should do if we want to talk board design, right? Sorry but not all of us are rich executives who can afford to buy your gorgeous boards on a whim. We work hard for our money and just want to make sure we are getting what we pay for, especially when we its $700 + for a surfboard (which trust us when its all said and done is well worth it). I’m sure you guys don’t walk into a car dealership and purchase the first car you see without bugging the sales man a bit about the features, price, etc…, so why would you expect us to not do the same? I know a new car is a lot different than a new board but you get the picture. We know the bro deal should stay in the realm of actual bros, but remember that its not your bros that are keeping you guys afloat through our current economic downturn, its us honest paying customers who refuse to buy into the cheap chinese shit that filling up the racks at all the surf shops. We continue to support you because we respect what you do and truly appreciate what a hand crafted board is all about. Patronizing us does nothing but make us reevaluate why we continue to devote the little free time we have to surf a few waves everyday. Please no more worthless posts like this one. For many of us we come to your blog for relief from our daily grind, not to be ridiculed because we ask too many questions.
Anonymous
September 15, 2008JP, great illo. Just cause one guy didn’t get it don’t despair!
There’s a huge diff between being a plain ol’ schmuck on the one hand and asking about the design and being into the process on the other hand. Your illo was not patronizing at all. It seemed to me just a little good natured funning and exaggeration of some of the stuff you have to deal with. But bro, when are you going to get that computer that does the color schemes that GWS posted about? Lemme know…
i know what you did last summer
September 15, 2008This cartoon is making fun of an actual friend of JP’s so don’t spazz out about it.
Anonymous
September 15, 2008p.s. To “Saving up for that Pavel quad”: If you’ve ever dealt with the Moonlight crew then you know that they are the top of the top, both to deal with and in their work. I know I’ve asked stupid questions and they always treated me with kindness, good humor and respect (even when they could rightly have been annoyed and rolling their eyes). So take from a little cartoon what you wish but know that they walk the walk of a first class operation. And they don’t need me to defend them, but I don’t think you’re being fair and I don’t want JP to hesitate posting something for fear people might not enjoy him goofing around a bit.
J.P. St. Pierre
September 15, 2008Ouch.
A little context, this is a cartoon I drew on my new personal board, a DK quad fish. Yes, the cartoon is a tribute to the famous Wilbur Kookmeyer where he orders a custom board (he insist on a 5’12” because 6’0″ is too long, heh).
Ever since that Wilbur cartoon I say those words to every shaper that I order a board from, it’s kind of a ritual. I enjoy the responses and it’s fun when shapers get the reference.
(the Indo rush and bro deal part is based on an actual friend of mine).
This cartoon is not meant as an insult anyone, Moonlight loves it’s customers.
This cartoon made me mad
September 15, 2008Wow! Who would have thought a little cartoon would bring about so much smack talking. Its all in good fun guys. I say keep ’em coming. Thanks moonlight for the interesting reads…by the way…how do I go about getting a bro deal, just kidding, but seriously…Oh ya 5’12” and 6’0″ is the same thing in case any of you where wondering, it just depends if your using the metric system or the colonial…
east coast moonlight groupie
September 15, 2008Talk about not getting the joke…somebody get that guy a cerveza! Jp and everyone at moonlight-you guys rock!!! Have always treated me with respect and answered every question no matter how stupid it may be. “Saving up for that pavel quad” is totally missing the point, & who writes a post that long anyway?, too much time on his hands, go surf or something.
justin
September 15, 2008Hey, saving up for that pavel quad said
First off your a KOOK.
Second, See what happens when you don’t take your zoloft in the morning. Get a grip buddy geez.. I bet you get road rage for someone not using there turn signals at a stop sign.
If i worked there i would make sure your board came our hot pink and extra heavy every time.
saving up for a 7 S Superfish
September 16, 2008Increase your wave count at half the price of a pavel. We stole that design years ago, why wait a year for a custom. Plus, we haven’t taught the asians how to blog yet so your money is safe with us and ridicule free. Alex Knostmeyer rules!
Anonymous
September 16, 2008I saw this board on the Surfer magazine design forum. I can see why the Pavel guy would get upset although I did not interpret the cartoon that way myself.
Anonymous
September 16, 2008I understand where “saving for that pavel quad” is coming from. Moonlight is great and have had no problems with them but I’ve had some real issues with one shaper who uses them for glassing. I won’t go into the details but let’s say it was a all around bad experience. The shaper was not professional and I felt like since I wasn’t starring in the next Thomas Campbell movie I wasn’t really worth his time. Custom boards are great and the next new board I get will be one; however, shapers need to remember they make or break the experience. Simply put…Pay attention to the customer, manage their expectations, produce a quality product and deliver it on time and we’ll keep coming back.
Moonlight Fan
September 16, 2008I’m sure anybody who has been around surfing for anytime what so ever would note the comical jest that was involved with JP’s cartoon. He was not trying to single out any customers but in fact was having a bit of fun with surfing, which is what its all about, isn’t it. Yet its also pretty clear that someone who is less experienced and has gone through a bad experience with a custom shaper in the past could misundstand it and see it as a direct insult.
I’m not even sure if it was a response to moonlight directly but to the surf community as a whole. Much like most industries, there are some major assholes out there, and the surf industry is no different. All it takes is one bad experience to change one’s perception of what custom made boards are all about.
But by JP’s response to the post you can see that he is not one of these bad seeds in the surf industry. Moonlight glassing is the benchmark of what a properly run business should be. Customers are treated with respect and only recieve the best work possible. If anyone is skeptical just give them a call. I’m sure their kindness and professionalism will win you over in no time. Its sad that certain peoples skewed views, although valid in many ways, can be attached to the wrong recipients, in this case Moonlight glassing.
P.S. To Justin- Your response will do nothing but aggravate the situation. I’m sure its just a heated attempt to defend Moonlight, but its really just reinforcing the whole “cocky surfer/surf shop” myth that we are trying to break. Its obvious that “saving up for a quad” is a little “disgruntled” to say the least and he is obviously just looking for an outlet for some pent up aggression. I’m sure “…First off your a KOOK” & the whole “…hot pink…extra heavy” thing did nothing but piss him off more. This isn’s a shot at you, but rather an attempt to shut down all the machismo that exist in surfing, which I think is what is making this customer angry.
-Now lets all hug and go for a surf, I love all of you.
Mr Sensitive
September 16, 2008I’m so over all of the “political correctness” of everything. Why should everyone have to double and triple-check anything they write, paint or even fart out to make sure not ONE SINGLE PERSON will be offended? Another step toward the pu$$ification of society so the hipsters will feel more comfortable. Let me run this through my editor before I post it… oh snarf!
confession
September 17, 2008Shit I’ve been the guy in the comic more times than I want to admit but fvck it it’s fun to harass the shaper.
Jazzman
September 17, 2008Dude bro..do me a solid! Lol
Anonymous
September 17, 2008WOW—seems a few of us need to relax a bit—-maybe the art (and it was art!) struck a little too close to home. JP be happy with your stuff–at least the folks are readingit…..and it was a cool board too….for the rest of you-at least your not working in a coal mine walrus
Anonymous
September 17, 2008ya thats it, its those hipsters. Man I hate hipsters!, with their beards and their greasy hair and their fishes. Wait a minute…I guess I’m a hipster, never mind.
justin
September 17, 2008At least i have the audacity to put my name on my posts unlike most of you anonymous slammers. Moonlight fan no shot taken… you have the right to say whateves you want…
Moonbase doesn’t need my defense. I simply was stating that he is a KOOK… He has the right to comment what he wants and so do I. I apologize i didn’t get Dr. Phil to edit my post.
Man, i remember the good old days when surfers got hazed by there inner community every single day. Especially when you made silly remarks. But i guess those days are slowly coming to a end with the softening of our culture.
Anyone remember getting tossed in trash cans by older surfers at the beach?? or harassed because you don’t have a Jimmy ‘Z hat, or for your riding your dads old OFFSHORE and not a killer new custom? or having to make taco bell runs and buy the older bros food with your own money so you get more waves?? I sure do and it was good fun. Keep up the hazing please!
IF we dont give the KOOKS and friend acting like KOOKs shit the culture I know and love will be lost to our future generations.
Jazzman
September 17, 2008It’s hard running a business that caters to surfers. They come in all walks of life. Some are chill..some are not. Some surfers are way more concerned with what their board looks like then what it rides like. But you gotta have a sense of humor at the very least to survive in this business. I saw it as humor with a touch of reality thrown in. Some signage on the wall of my factory – My prices are based on cash. If you plan on paying by check plan on another 25% because I hate the bank more than you. A lack of prior planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Trac-top, leashes, used baggies and/or bong hits are unacceptable forms of payment. Thank you – The management
Anonymous
September 17, 2008wow….
JP touched a nerve….
and here i thought it was HILARIOUS…but i like funny things.
never underestimate the power of anonymity of the internets……….
Blind B)
Anonymous
September 18, 2008I personally see it as a creative little spoof that is very multi-layered in its meaning. The twelve exclamation points, the a-frame falling above the “DOOD’s” head, the pacman like features of the face, the obvious reference to fascism and Nazi Germany with the positioning of the “DOOD’s” lifted left arm. And lets not forget how JP cleverly included the word “SURFY” on the top of the page to look like “SORRY”, as in “…sorry “DOOD” (or DOODETTE) but this is the wrong way to order a surfboard, it is unreasonable, unless you are willing to pay for it” -note the $$$ signs in the lower right hand corner with a playful little Shaka to cut the rising tension. The symbolism is breathtaking and I see it as an educational piece more than anything. I love it!!!
Bravo JP, this is what good art is all about, its supposed to evoke a little bit of emotion from its viewers, whether it be positive or negative.
P.S. Justin is right a KOOK is a KOOK anyway you look at it, lets face it we have all been there at some time or another.
J.P. St. Pierre
September 18, 2008The good news is that this cartoon is the only offensive thing I’ve ever done and I don’t have anything to top it so it’s smooth sailing from here on out!
Tim
September 18, 2008“Sail on Brother,
sail on..!” Call it like it is, I say…
I know how it is to have to chase my hard earned money.
Everybody take a break, roll one, and chillout…
Nice work.
Peace always,
Tim
Tommy Mo
September 23, 2008I just think it was very funny and showed a good sense of humor on JP’s part…
Obviously some guys don’t have tongues or cheeks and have therefore never placed the former into the latter??
Jacob
March 22, 2011What the hell are any of you talking about! The guy ripped an old “Wilbur Kookmeyer” comic stip! That’s all. It’s funny. Now shut the f*** up!